Monday, August 03, 2009

Things that make you go... *facepalm*

I went back and forth for several minutes as to whether or not this was even worth my time, but finally decided that I couldn't let it go. Sometimes you just have to point out the stupidity of something stupid, just so you don't explode. Well, I do, anyway.

This video has apparently been circulating the internet. I ran across it just this evening:

If you're not inclined to sit through the five minute video, I'll give you the basics. Starting with Luke 10:18 - "I saw Satan falling like lightning from the sky" (my translation) - he argues that although the text as we have it is written in Greek, Jesus originally spoke these words in Aramaic (true enough). Thus, he argues, Jesus would have used the word baraq for "lightning" and bamah for "sky" (the Greek ouranos here is often translated "heaven," or "heavens"). This collocation of baraq and bamah in the words of Jesus naturally means that Barack Obama is the Antichrist.

This is why I have a love-hate relationship with the Strong's Concordance. It's a great tool when used for what it's meant for, but when it gets misused... hoo boy. So, a couple brief points of refutation, then I'm done:

1)Obama's first name comes from the verbal root BRK ("to bless") and is a variation on the Hebrew name Baruch ("blessed"). The noun baraq ("lightning") is completely unrelated, however much they may sound alike. Similarly, the English words "bare" and "bear" are completely unrelated, despite sounding alike.

2)The Hebrew word bamah never, so far as I'm aware, refers to the sky, but rather to hilltop or mountaintop shrines - high places on earth. The Greek word ouranos means "sky," as distinct from land and sea. No Hebrew speaker who knew an ounce of Greek would have translated bamah with ouranos, or vice versa. If Jesus' words are being translated from Aramaic to Greek, the Aramaic word underlying ouranos would certainly be shamayin, which means "sky, heavens."

3)The Isaiah 14 passage is not about Satan. It's about Nebuchadnezzar. Read the context. The word lucifer there is a Latin rendering of the Hebrew for "star of morning" (i.e., Venus). By a trick of medieval exegesis, the common noun lucifer came to be taken as a proper name, Lucifer, and applied to Satan. But that never ought to have happened, because the passage isn't about Satan. Isaiah's prophecy is predicting the fall of Nebucachadnezzar.

4)Let's grant, for one brief, brain-melting instant, that this whole argument is right, and that Jesus is really referring to Barack Obama. What is he saying? "I saw Satan fall like Barack Obama"? Seriously? In what way did Barack Obama fall, and in what sense is Satan's fall like it?

5)The context of the Luke 10 passage is not eschatology or the Antichrist. Sidebar: "Antichrist" is an ill-defined concept in the NT anyway. Most of what we associate with the concept of a single eschatological Antichrist figure comes from medieval and, later, dispensationalist theology. The word "antichrist" only shows up once or twice in the NT, in the letters of John. It's nowhere in the gospels, and nowhere in Revelation. End Sidebar. Even if we accept that Jesus is saying "like Barack Obama," that doesn't mean that Obama is the antichrist (whatever that means anyway). It would just mean that there is some point of comparison between Obama's "fall" and Satan's.

But hey, as long as we're accepting this gentleman's conclusions for the sake of argument, let's look at Matthew 24:27 - "For just as lightning comes from the east and shines into the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." So if lightning = baraq = Barack, then what Jesus is really saying is that "Just as Barack comes from the east and shines in the west," and that's compared to the coming of the Son of Man. Which means that, far from being the Antichrist, Barack Obama is actually the Messiah, returned to Earth to lead the true people of God! Somewhere, right now, John McCain is saying, "Aw, damn."

Nonsense. Baraq is completely unrelated to "Barack," and bamah was certainly nowhere in Jesus' discourse here. Even if it was, the idea that Jesus would drop the name of a person who won't be born for 2000 years into the middle of a conversation about something completely different is silly. What Jesus is doing here is comparing the sudden and spectacular fall of Satan with the sudden and spectacular descent of lightning from a stormy sky. His disciples have just come to him talking about their power over demons, and he responds with this.

Okay, so I've spent way more time on this than I wanted to, or than it deserved, but now I've written it, so I'll go ahead and post it. Suffice it to say, this is what happens when somebody learns just enough about the original languages to be dangerous.


Deniz Bevan said...

Also goes to show how the dumbest ideas can easily be refuted :-) Love reading tidbits about languages!

controllerdavidson said...

This is your refutation? This is not refuted at all.

I'll explain, but first:

Mark 4:11-12

....everything is said in parables that they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!

Why do you assume that the name of Barack would have to be related to "Baraq", the hebrew noun for lightning, to qualify BHO as the "figure" feared in the end of the times?

The mere pronunciation is strikingly identical. Where talking about clues here. Christ revealed many things in parables. Baraq "O" Bahma, or Baraq "U" Bahma is good enough for me! What difference does it make how Barack got his name. This free world leader shares at a MINIMUM the same pronunciation as a word in a very few words that was irrefutably used by Christ in a rare passage in which Christ described the physical characteristics of satan and the end times. Have there ever been any other "Baraq-sounding" leaders that could qualify as someone important enough to be considered satan. Don't take scripture out of context. Furthermore Luke 10:18 is a rare passage in which Jesus actually describes to his disciples, well, Satan itself. Now listen, because this is important. There is so much out there that already gives a great deal of convincing evidence that he is the "abomination" or obama nation "that causes desolation".

How many verses in the bible spoken of by Jesus describe a physical visualization of satan. Now it is irrefutable that the words out of Christ's mouth included AT LEAST "baraq", and most LIKELY "bamah". And even if it only included the first word, that too is good enough for me!. What other great leader of the free world has been called "Baraq" well besides, "Barack"? He is an awfully good candidate for the so-called antichrist to me.

Moreover nobody is saying Christ saw Barack Obama. Christ beheld satan as lightning fall from heaven (KJV). What is meant here is Christ envisioned Satan as lightning falling from heaven. If you know anything about the law of attraction, then you know what a man visualizes (pictures in his mind) manifests into actual things sometime down the line and in time. How it all comes together to form the end results make really no difference. God's will is done regardless.

Now about the Word "Heaven" and your translation issues with regard to it. First of all nobody knows exactly what Christ said with regard to heaven, because the original GREEK new testament uses the word "ouranos" in place of the english word "heaven". We'll unfortunately "Ouranos" has many many meanings, one of which includes elevation. Elevation is another meaning also for the hebrew word "Bamah", but there's more. "Bamah" is also defined as a high place, but also as a proper name for a particlar high place. So lightning falling from a high place (which makes more sense, then from the air, or from the abode of God) makes perfectly logical sense as well.

controllerdavidson said...

Sorry no room to finish... Here is the rest.

Eze. 20:29 God said to the children of israel "What [is] the high place whereunto ye go? And the name thereof is called Bamah unto this day." This wasn't just a high place it was a place where israel sinned, most likely by "sexual immorality". So it makes sense that this "Bamah" singled out specifically by God - was a special really bad place on high.

You are totally missing the point here. The name "Barack Obama" is a manifestation of Christ's vision of lightning falling from heaven or from a place on high, and fits quite well.

I agree that the word "Anti-Christ" is somewhat laughable. As technically anyone against christ is an antichrist, and the bible even speaks of antichrists in the plural. But give me a break we all know what is meant here.

The man is exceptionally radical without substance, he is a malcontent, he was elected on more deceit ever seen in any lifetime. Every word and every figure out of his mouth is an outright lie, or absurd exaggeration. His health care plan which every economist on planet earth has denounced as not workable, he magically thinks will work? The man is bent on destroying this country. That has never been so clear than with this unnecessary, unworkable nation destroying health care plans that so many say will not work. And yet....he is still rushing bent on doing it. I ask you why??? Why do something the majority of Americans are against? Why indeed.




Mar 13:14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' [fn]standing where it [fn] does not belong-let the reader understand-then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

So many people believe he does not belong as president, that he is an illegal president that was never even born in this country. The man had all his records sealed the day he was signed into office. He clearly has something to hide.


These are only my opinions. I am not claiming that BHO is anything other than the U.S. President

controllerdavidson said...

One more thing.

Baraq is lightning yes. Barack Obama - Messiah = No.

Here is why?

While baraq may only be lightning, baraq from bamah is lightning from a bad place on high. Remember, bamah is a high place that the children of israel sinned. Ezekiel.

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